| Author | Message | ||
     Chris Peterson Member Username: Dustb Post Number: 15 Registered: 08-2006 |
I'm the very happy owner of a Charatan's Make pipe, and I see that there are other manufacturers that use their name and "make" in a pipe line's appellation. Is there an industry standard meaning for "make?" Easy enough to assume they're some sort of seconds, or conceivably a reborn mark after the original name fell out of use, or heck, a name for a different factory or factory in a different country. Maybe it varies with each company that adds "make" to its brand name. I'm very happy with my Charatan's Make, so I don't ask as a reflection of disappointment or poorer quality. I ask because I sure wouldn't know the answer if I didn't ask. Thanks, and best, --Chris | ||
| Paul Tummers Member Username: Paul_tummers Post Number: 203 Registered: 12-2007 |
I think, your pipe has been made by Charatan, but is a so-called "Second". This mostly means, somewere there are flaws in the surface, filled with putty, and this makes the pipe does not meet the original standarts to be a "real" Charatan. A lot of companies have sub-brands to sell those pipes, but not all do refer to its real origin like "Charatan's make". This does not affect the smoking qualities of your pipe, and if the flaw(s) are not in a vital part of the pipe like at the underside of the bowl or were the bowl goes over into the shank, you will enjoy your pipe just as long as if you had bought an original Charatan for a lot more money. | ||
| Jesse Silver Member Username: Mattes Post Number: 12 Registered: 10-2009 |
A pipe stamped Charatan's Make is not a second. It is a first. Case in point, there is a Crown Achievement up for auction on ebay - the only higher grade being the Summa Cum Laude - and it is stamped Charatan's Make. Barling's Pre-Transition pipes were primarily stamped Barling's Make, with an arched "Barling's" over "Make" in block letters. And these aren't seconds, either. This is simply the brand name the manufacturer chose. Seconds are usually assigned a different name for the line of pipes. For example, Sasieni produced many seconds like Mayfair, Benaderet's, Canadian, Friar, etc, and these have "Sasieni Made" or "Made By Sasieni" stamped on the pipes, but other seconds such as Old England, Richmond and Sportsman may not have the Sasieni stamp at all. The only Charatan second that I can think of is called Mountbatten. Jesse | ||
| Chris Peterson Member Username: Dustb Post Number: 16 Registered: 08-2006 |
Paul, Thank you very much for the response. I've looked over the pipe and it must be some expert who found a fault with it because I think all oddness of this pipe must be character as opposed to flaw. Thanks for the help understanding. Happy smokes, --Chris | ||
| Paul Tummers Member Username: Paul_tummers Post Number: 204 Registered: 12-2007 |
@ Jesse: You are right: The only Charatan I have is stamped "Charatan's make, underneath is stamped "London England"and beneath that is stamped "Belvedere". On the stem is a number 03573 stamped at the underside, what this means I really do not know. Sorry Chris, I should have done my homework better before posting! | ||
| Henry C Member Username: Cjbas Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2009 |
This site is helpful in seeing what major brnds use for the brand names of their 'seconds'. http://www.pipes.org/Articles/Seconds.html Some of the 'seconds' may not even have flaws requiring putty fille. The only flaw may be that the grain pattern is not up to the standard of their 'firsts'. Some seconds, like Parker, command as high a price as other brands' firsts. Invariably you will get as good a smoke from a second as you would from a first. |