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     Adam Trumpey Member Username: Trumpster7 Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2009 |
I am considering buying a "system" pipe to keep the spittle out of my smoke. Was wondering 1. what the major differences were between Peterson and savinelli. 2.One place said that the savinelli had a filter. Does this affect the quality of the smoke? 3.Is it worth the extra money to get the pipes with the "system"? 4. One more question- I read that the sherlock holmes pipes came with the standard system. Are there any other models that use the system which dont specifically specify in the name (like the holmes line)? | ||
| Christopher Roberts Member Username: Fireglow Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2009 |
Hi Adam. If I remember right, the Savinelli pipes which take filters are not System pipes. There are two schools of thought on filter pipes: one that says they affect your smoking and one that says they don't. From personal experience (having over 100 filter pipes) the filter DOES affect the draw, but not enough as to render the smoke unpleasant. Benefits of a filter include a cooler smoke and the fact that the filter traps moisture, juices, bits of ash and nicotine. About the extra money: It depends on if you're a wet smoker (you drool when you smoke--like I do) or a dry smoker. I kinda have to use a system pipe once in awhile becuase the smoke stimulates my salivary glands which causes me to be a "wet" smoker and the system keeps my spit away from the tobacco. However, there are also Carey Magic Inch pipes and Duncan Hill Aerosphere pipes which are "system" pipes and don't cost as much as Petersons and Savinellis (and work just as well!) About the Sherlock Holmes pipe: I honestly can't remember. A quick look at Peterson's website should answer that question, though. Hope this helps! | ||
| W. A. Lanman Member Username: Blenheimbard Post Number: 151 Registered: 01-2009 |
Adam The word "system" does not necessarily mean the same thing with every pipe manufacturer. A "system" Peterson refers to the use of a "well" to collect any condensation caused with the opening up of the air flow channel in the pipes. In the Carey Magic Inch pipes (that C. Roberts mentioned) it is a little paper "sock" ["papryte filter"] located in a "carbourator" chamber in the stem. The carb is designed to cool the smoke, which can be important if you smoke quickly on any tobacco with a lot of sugar (Virginias and any sweetened "aros") and the sock absorbs the moisture that come from the gas expansion. With Savinelli and Brigham pipe they use "system" to refer to their filter systems. A whole raft of pipemakers have imitated the Peterson "system" pipes, and may use the word in their write ups, but you must beware, for as you see the word has no industry standard for its use. Good luck, Al (in Canada) | ||
| Robert McGee Member Username: 1345 Post Number: 115 Registered: 07-2004 |
i have both sav filter and pete system pipes, and both offer an excellent smoke imo. a major difference for me is the p-lip bit, which i tend to prefer | ||
| Adam Trumpey Member Username: Trumpster7 Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2009 |
thanks guys! I was already leaning toward the peterson. I will definitely check out carey's magic inch. | ||
| Gene Szymanski Member Username: Lt_taz Post Number: 51 Registered: 02-2005 |
Mr. Trumpey, Sir while on the E.A. Carey web site, I suggest you also check the "Duncan Hill" pipes known as Aerosphere. Just a thought, the Carey Magic Inch of the 60's & 70's where better crafted then those of today and in MHO the Aerosphere is superior to the Magic Inch. | ||
| Adam Trumpey Member Username: Trumpster7 Post Number: 6 Registered: 08-2009 |
thanks. ya, that was going to be my next questions. But what about the duncan hill vs magic inch carey mark iv legacy pipes? any thoughts? | ||
| Paul Tummers Member Username: Paul_tummers Post Number: 168 Registered: 12-2007 |
I think, the Peterson well system is the best if you produce a lot of moisture during smoking which can be caused by wet smoking or smoking moist tobacco in a pipe with a large tobacco chamber, and because the conical army jointing it easily can be emptied while smoking. There is no difference in taste because the smoke is not forced to pass through any material like balsa os charcoal eg. The only negative thing of it, is that you must keep the pipe upright when there is much moisture in the well, if you put down the pipe flat on it's side, the moisture will flood the tobacco.I experienced this myself also with an empty pipe which I forgot to clean the well from and after smoking did put it in a pocket of my jacket; the smell which suddenly came up alone already told me, there was something wrong, but luckily it was a tweed jacket of reddish brown colour , so the brown spot did blend in well ;). | ||
| Robert Member Username: Simstick Post Number: 17 Registered: 03-2009 |
The Savinelli balsa fiter is triangular so the actual smoke goes around the filter. I am guessing that it is used as a sponge to collect the condensation that forms on the inside wall of the stem. Another discussion about filters here: http://forum.pipes.org/~discus/discus/messages/26/25193.html And from the Savinelli USA website: http://www.savinelliusa.com/balsa.htm | ||
| Jeff Member Username: Smokinoboe Post Number: 37 Registered: 09-2008 |
I have two Savinelli Dry Systems [both 2622 shape, with p-lips], and a Peterson system 317 pipe [fishtail bit], all three of which utilize the very same well-drilling method. The Savs both use the balsa filter in addition to the moisture trap [or else you could use the adapter]. All 3 smoke wonderfully. The major difference is that it took me a very long time to be able to appropriately pack the small peterson bowl. I honestly haven't been able to tell much difference in tongue bite between the p-lip and the fishtail bits. | ||
| Henry C Member Username: Cjbas Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2009 |
A filter pipe means you'll be having to constantly getting filters, something I don't care to be doing. If you get on ebay, go to collectibles, tobaccaiana, pipes, and then do a search for well*, you will be shown pipes that are listed as being well pipes. (You'll also be shown pipes that are listed as being well made.) Wellingtons are another well pipe you may want to consider. They're cheaper than Petersons but look similar. Early ones were made int he US, later ones in Italy. | ||
| Wayne R. Van Horn Member Username: Sheepdog Post Number: 28 Registered: 01-2010 |
Ok Savinelli has both a balsa filter pipe and a system pipe that works just like the Peterson. And most of them have a bit that looks and works just like a P-lip. I have all three of these. They all work well. I think you should get the Peterson. I say alway go with the one that started it!! | ||
| Stephen Spring Member Username: Stephenspring Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2009 |
I've got more Petersons than Savinelli and with "system" pipe, there's only 2 Savinelli I have (the same configuration as Peterson). If you have a choice I'd start with Peterson first. The Savinelli system pipes I have (bent stem and chamber for moisture) have an open ended stem. Peterson's system pipes I have contain a small hole in the lip which I prefer. I love all my Petersons and Savinellis and I don't consider the balsa filter stems a "system" pipe in the Peterson sense. | ||
| Jay Bardsley Member Username: Bassmanjay Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2010 |
For what its worth, I have a few nice filter Savs and a few "System" Petersons of varying age/prestige, and tbh it really does depend on the tobacco doesnt it, aromatics have a bigger difference when smoked through the filters, much cooler I find. Weirdly enough, I actualy get a Magic Inch off ebay the othe day by Carey, the one with the paper sleaves... INCREDIBLE smoker! I honestly didnt expect it, but with Kendall Black Cherry tobacco...for under a fiver, that is one of my fav pipes! :D Gotta love my petersons though, and my Savs... one day I'll figure out which tobacco works best with each, but til then... :D Happy puffin' xx | ||
| Dov Wiseman Member Username: Dov_of_the_galilee Post Number: 81 Registered: 09-2007 |
Something interesting along this discussion is how well they function. I myself originally started out collecting Peterson's mainly because it was an Irish product and I have family there. However I always had a bad gurgling experience with my Pete's and when by chance I happened upon a Savinelli system pipe that delivered a much different experience it had me coming back for more. These years gone by I have made the switch to Savinelli's exclusively if it is a system pipe I'm after. | ||
| Mark A. DeSorbo Member Username: Newbie Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2010 |
Hi Adam, Not sure if you made your purchase yet, but I have both Peterson System and Savinelli Dry System pipes and they are great. I especially like my Peterson System 314 and 307, both estates. I have a Savinelli 3620, and while I thought a balsa filter would inhibit draw and flavor, it doesn't do either and it's great. Both Peterson System and Savinelli Dry System pipes are good bets. Nice cool, dry smokes. I tend to lean toward Virginias and English and Balkan blends. Something like Sam Gawith's Full Virginia Flake smokes great in pipes of this nature. I tend to use a cob for aromatics as I have yet to dedicate briars for aromatics. I would imagine aromatics would be cooled considerably and more enjoyable through system pipes. I do plan on buying at least one more Savinelli Dry System. I'm drawn to the 2614 the 3621, the 2622 and other full bents. Happy hunting and happy smoking. Mark | ||
| Henry C Member Username: Cjbas Post Number: 58 Registered: 12-2009 |
Mark, I have a coupld of Peterson' that I reserve for aromatics. Well pipes are perfect for aromatics since I've found aros tend to produce more tars that English/Balkan blends. | ||
| Eric Wiener Member Username: Ericw Post Number: 155 Registered: 04-2000 |
I have quite a few Peterson system pipes and love them. I also have quite a few traditional pipes. I find that the system pipes are the ones I reach for most. They always smoke cool and dry for me. I don't smoke aromatics but tend to be a wet smoker. One word about bits - I used to always go for traditional fishtail bits but have found that on the system pipes the P-lip works better. I believe the system was actually designed this way. The stem dimensions help condense the moisture, dropping it down into the well. Also, the P-lip helps keep saliva out of the pipe since the hole is toward the top of the stem. One caution, though. Because of the hole placement smoke is directed up toward the roof of your mouth and away from your tongue. As always you should take care not to smoke hot but that are can be more sensitive to "bite". I've found that the Peterson system pipes usually smoke cool for me so that's not usually an issue. I have to be careful on not system pipes that have P-lips. I still prefer fishtail stems on traditional pipes. | ||
| Henry C Member Username: Cjbas Post Number: 59 Registered: 12-2009 |
To add to Eric's caution about Peterson's system pipes -- and this applies to any well pipe -- since moisture has condensed and liquified in the well of the pipe during smoking, take care when setting the pipe down after smoking. If much liquid has collected inthe well, then when laying it flat that liquid can flow back into the bowl...not something you want to happen. | ||
| Eric Wiener Member Username: Ericw Post Number: 156 Registered: 04-2000 |
BTW, I should mention that though I own over a dozen Petes and only one Savinelli (a balsa filter pipe that I smoke without the filter), I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Savinelli. It smokes as well as any pipe I own, including Dunhills, Ashton, etc. I love my system Petes, though! | ||
| Eric Wiener Member Username: Ericw Post Number: 157 Registered: 04-2000 |
The good news regarding Henry's caution is that it's fairly easy to dump the liquid out mid bowl. The stem design allows it to be removed mid smoke. Traditional pipes have a danger of cracking the shank if the stem is removed while the pipe is hot. The military style fitting on the system prevents that from happening. |